主题：【原创】真主党与义和团 -- 唵啊吽
家园 【原创】真主党与义和团 前一阵才争论完义和团的是非功过，今天网上又争论起以真主党与以色列来了。历史何其相似，其争论也何其相似。
真主党犹如义和团，黎巴嫩政府有如慈禧太后政府，以色列有如八国联军。
八国联军有道理呀，义和团杀了传教士，所以八国联军名正言顺地洗劫北京，掳掠文物，然后再要庚子赔款。
以色列有道理呀，真主党绑架了以色列士兵，所以以色列名正言顺地炸机场，炸桥梁，炸民宅。
本拉登也有道理呀，海湾战争美国打死了伊斯兰教徒，所以就名正言顺地炸世贸中心。
慈禧与八国联军表白，要和义和团划清界限；黎巴嫩政府对美以表白，要和真主党划清界线。慈禧主权保下来了，义和团被撤底镇压下去了，慈禧也因此得到国际社会“支持”了，看来黎巴嫩政府也在效法慈禧吧。
道理是一样的，不过羊跟狼将道理时，正义总在狼一边。
只许州官放火，不许百姓点灯。
家园 还是好好学学人民战争吧 1930年12月25日，红一方面军总前委在江西宁都小布召开苏区军民歼敌誓师大会，毛泽东为大会亲笔书写“敌进我退，敌驻我扰，敌疲我打，敌退我追，游击战里操胜算；大步进退，诱敌深入，集中兵力，各个击破，运动战中歼敌人”的对联，并以对联为题目作了动员报告，解释了他的反“围剿”的游击战术思想。
家园 【文摘】Hezbollah's lack of structure its strength http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HH11Ak03.html
As Hezbollah resists almost four weeks of Israeli air and ground operations, many analysts are calling it the most effective Arab force the Israeli army has yet faced.
The militia has stockpiles of missiles and light arms and, perhaps most important, a highly mobile command structure that allows it to conduct a classic hit-and-run guerrilla war of attrition.
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty correspondents Charles Recknagel and Dominik Breithaupt spoke with Timur Goksel, the former spokesman of the United Nations monitoring force in south Lebanon, to learn more about Hezbollah's organization and tactics. Goksel now teaches at the American University in Beirut.
RFE/RL: Looking at the number of about 2,000-4,000 soldiers that fight for the Hezbollah against 10,000 Israeli soldiers, it seems unlikely that the militia could keep up an effective resistance for long. What makes it so difficult for the Israeli army to defeat the Hezbollah militia?
Timur Goksel: These people have been fighting the Israelis for 18 years in south Lebanon. People forget that. They already know the Israelis. And they fought them when they occupied Lebanon [Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 and maintained a buffer zone in south Lebanon until 2000] and since then they have been preparing for a guerrilla war again.
And they are a very experienced, very well-equipped guerrilla army and they also believe in what they are doing. And they have the local support of the population and they are local people themselves, they feel like they are defending their own villages. So when you put this together you get a very strong army - a guerrilla army, at least.
Lack of hierarchy important
RFE/RL: A common strategy in wartime is to disrupt the command-and-control capability of the enemy. But Hezbollah seems to have survived almost a month of heavy Israeli bombing. How does the militia remain effective on the battlefield?
Goksel: They don't work in military hierarchies or military command levels. They don't have anything like that. There is one leader in Beirut and all the other units in the field are autonomous, they know what they are doing [by themselves]. They don't need communications, they don't report everything, they don't ask for orders, they know what they are doing.
There are small units of not more than 20 men, and most are local people. They operate on their own, they don't need supplies. They are very independent. That makes it very difficult to catch them, of course.
RFE/RL: The organizational structure you describe is common to a secret guerrilla movement. Yet Hezbollah has been a highly public presence in Lebanon for more than two decades, including now being part of the government. Could you describe the group's structure in more detail?
Goksel: Hezbollah's political and social arm is very public [but] Hezbollah's military is a very secretive organization. Even most other Hezbollah people will not know who they [military members] are. They are extremely security-conscious - extremely - to the point of paranoia.
Most people don't know who these people are because they never display themselves, they don't have uniforms, they don't have any bases, they don't work out of bases, they don't have supply depots. Therefore, it is a very secretive arm [and that is] because they have a very healthy respect for Israeli intelligence, which is always trying to track them down.
家园 【文摘】Nasrallah's leadership RFE/RL: How directly does Hassan Nasrallah, the spiritual leader of Hezbollah, control its military arm?
Goksel: Their structure is that only Sheikh Nasrallah is the supreme commander and there is nobody else between him and the field leaders. They removed all those [intermediate levels] years ago, because they felt like when you are organized as a military unit then it is very easy for Israel to detect you, because when you are [such a formal] organization you make noise when you move. So they removed all organization and they are working with a secret cell system, actually.
RFE/RL: But doesn't a secret cell system also present some disadvantages when it comes to launching coordinated operations on the battlefield? Is there no central planning?
Goksel: There are also predetermined operations. They have a lot of local autonomy but they will not launch an operation unless it is all part of a plan. There is a local leader, there is a regional leader system, but they don't report to [any military headquarters in] Beirut. It is not cumbersome, there are no levels like in a normal army, [such as] companies, battalions, regiments, nothing like that. It is a very flat sort of organization, not a pyramid sort of organization.
RFE/RL: Do we know where Nasrallah is now?
Goksel: I wouldn't know where he is and certainly they [Hezbollah] are not advertising it. But I know one thing about that man: he never abandons his people. He is famous for that. The reason he became Sheikh Nasrallah [the leader of Hezbollah] is because of his reputation for never leaving the fighters.
So I can safely assume that he is with his own people. He never abandons them, that is not his style. That's why he became so famous and so adored within the whole of Hezbollah, because he never leaves his people alone.
RFE/RL: There are reports that the Israeli army is trying to assassinate Nasrallah by targeting Hezbollah compounds in southern Beirut and elsewhere. Would Hezbollah fall apart if he were killed?
Goksel: If Sheikh Nasrallah goes, that organization is likely to come apart. Because, especially at a time like this, no [other] leader can emerge to keep this whole massive organization of social, economic, political, and military things together. Nobody can do that.
And there are some [competing] currents in Hezbollah that Sheikh Nasrallah is keeping together. In my understanding, some of these groups might become more independent in their actions. And when you have people with guns and rockets [taking] independent action, then you are looking for trouble because you never know which way they will go. Because he is providing the central discipline and the central command.
Cutting off Hezbollah, or Lebanon?
RFE/RL: The Israeli army says it is bombing Lebanese infrastructure such as highways to cut supply routes from Syria - and ultimately Iran - which are suspected of rearming Hezbollah. But is it possible to stop supplies from reaching the militia?
Goksel: More than [being] a strategy, that is a way of destroying the Lebanese infrastructure. That is not a strategy, that is an excuse to inflict maximum pain on this country. Because they [the Israelis] couldn't do it [stop Hezbollah], they want the [Lebanese] people to stop Hezbollah. And certainly [if the bombing is] to prevent the supply [of arms to Hezbollah], it cannot do that. There are 300 kilometers of open borders. Are they going to watch every border crossing 24 hours a day? That is a "no go", but it is a good excuse to keep bombing.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HH11Ak03.html
家园 还记得印尼不 家园 马来西亚的华人比例降了一半 马来西亚的华人比例，从独立时的39%，降到今天的22%，而且还在年年降，月月降，天天降。马来西亚对少数民族是没有什么优待的，各种或明或暗的打压措施倒是不少。
对比中国对少数民族的优待。新中国使得少数民族人口所占比例从4%升到了今天的10%，而且如果没有什么意外发生，少数民族人口所占比例升到40%以上将毫无悬念。
家园 因为新加坡是巴掌大的地方 而以色列则占了巴勒斯坦人52%的土地和更多的水源。
都不让人活了，不反抗才是脑子进水。
家园 呵呵，新家坡的富裕是怎么来的？ 自然当地华人的勤奋努力是根本，可新加坡虽然巴掌大个地方，怎么那么大个马拉西亚经济也比不上巴掌大个个新加坡呢？
马来人说了，那是因为新加坡是全马来西亚地理位置最好的那个巴掌，世界的十字路口，战略险要，深水良港，得天独厚啊。
以色列算什么好地方，全中东就那个地方没有石油了。
这是新华网上对以色列和巴勒斯坦国的介绍
以色列
自然地理：根据１９４７年联合国关于巴勒斯坦分治决议的规定，以色列国的面积为１．４９万平方公里。位于亚洲西部，北与黎巴嫩交界，东北部与叙利亚接壤，东面是约旦，西濒地中海，南连亚喀巴湾，是亚、非、欧三大洲结合处。沿海为狭长平原，东部有山地和高原。属地中海型气候。
经济：５０多年来，土地贫瘠、资源短缺的以色列，坚持走科技强国之路，重视教育和人才的培养，使经济得以较快发展，１９９９年人均国民生产总值高达１. ６万美元。以色列高新技术产业发展举世瞩目，特别是在电子、通讯、计算机软件、医疗器械、生物技术工程、农业以及航空等方面拥有先进的技术和优势。以色列地处沙漠地带边缘，水资源匮乏。严重缺水使以色列在农业方面形成了特有的滴灌节水技术，充分利用现有水资源，将大片沙漠变成了绿洲。不足总人口５％的农民不仅养活了国民，还大量出口优质水果、蔬菜、花卉和棉花等。
巴勒斯坦位于亚洲西北部。扼欧、亚、非三大洲交通要道，战略地位重要。北接黎巴嫩、东邻叙利亚、约旦、西南与埃及的西奈半岛接界，南端的一角临亚喀巴湾，西濒地中海。海岸线长１９８公里。西部为地中海沿岸平原，南部高原较最高峰。属亚热带地中海式气侯，夏季炎热干燥，冬季温暖湿润。南北雨量悬殊，最北部平均降水量９００毫米，最南部仅５０毫米左右。
而这个是1947年联合国的分治方案，看看降水量多的北部是不是都是以色列的
外链图片需谨慎，可能会被源头改http://www.un.org/chinese/peace/palestine/maps/12.htm
再说啦，以色列建国就不能活了？ 巴勒斯坦人是不是从来没有听说过和平共处这个词啊，周围全都是阿拉伯国家，如果不是被逼到死处，以色列人哪里敢对境内的阿拉伯人无理？ 恐怕也只能是小心翼翼的，就同新加坡对境内的马来人一样，虽然邻国名目仗胆地对华人有政策性歧视，可是在新加坡就不行，不但不能有歧视，还要优待才行。
这里再多说一句，黎巴嫩本来还是经济不错的地方，被这些巴勒斯坦人倒是搞烂了
家园 开玩笑吧？ 1947年的联合国决议根本没有阿拉伯人的参与,五个阿拉伯国家杯葛了该决议。这种强加在别人身上的强盗逻辑还是收回比较好。
以色列不算什么好地方，不过每年少些无偿美元援助你看他们怎么死。
至于以色列怎么对待境内阿拉伯人的，一个小数据可以说明问题。自从1948年非法建国以来，以色列90%的公用土地是从只占人口10%的阿裔公民手中征走的。这叫优待？
以色列，就一伪满洲国而已了。
家园 当年抗日战争时候 一个外国人就说过 日本人整洁 谦恭 文明 可以造出世界上最好的机器
中国人却只会把它变成废铁
和您现在的观点如出一辙阿
（也许 那时候日本侵华胜利的话 会把中国建设得很富强地）
家园 中国人在领土上拥有无可争议的主权 日本是赤裸裸的武装侵略
以色列人在巴勒斯坦的地位和华人移民在东南亚在地位有相似之处，
都是在殖民者统治土著人的时期逐步移居当地
是相对后来的移民, 但后来的移民并非没有建国的权利,
尤其是在巴勒斯坦这样一个并不存在一个独立国家的地方
更何况巴勒斯坦也曾是犹太人的祖居地
指责以色列人占了好地方,和指责新加坡人占了好地方有相似之处
看人家能干发达眼红而已
家园 以色列现在该头痛了 今天一家伙炸死十一个以色列士兵，以色列的火箭炸伤三个中国人，估计这个时辰以色列政府该头大了。看起来这个泥潭还不知道有多深，中国人够倒霉的，代表联合国在那里还老挨炸，真怀疑他们是不是成心。