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主题：WSJ关于羽毛球的投票 -- 香山居士
家园 WSJ关于羽毛球的投票 Is it fair for athletes to try to lose in order to secure better placing in the next round or conserve energy?
现在60%以上的人说“Yes”
http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/asias-question-day-783/topics/fair-athletes-try-lose-order
下面有个回复我很喜欢：
Perfectly fine strategy and is the right thing to do in this case.
If the pair wins, they don't gain anything but they hurt their country's interests. Who made such stupid rules?
家园 WSJ的读者全是现实主义者，很正常 不然怎么在墙街上混下去。WSJ连排行榜都排金牌而不是CNN那种搞笑的奖牌榜。
论对人类社会本质的把握，WSJ的读者群算是世界第一了。
家园 于洋和王晓理没有消极比赛，她们是积极比赛，消极表演而已。 事实上，没有任何合理的理由要求让于洋和王晓理在那个比赛里全力出击。运动员也是人，没有理性的事情凭什么让她们去做。
问题的关键就是，伦敦的洋大人们觉得看的不舒服了，国际羽联奉承伦敦的观众，又一意孤行自己的脑残赛制。又一例西方中心主义的现实表演。
运动员是被牺牲被损害的弱势！即使是世界冠军或者头号种子选手。
家园 现在Yes支持保留体力的达到61.9%了，哈哈，看打 脸了，尤其是国内媒体脸了！
家园 评论太有趣了，国外淫民确实没有国内JY和小资们那么好忽悠 Justin Murray Wrote:
Perfectly fine strategy. If you introduce penalties for "not playing your hardest", that creates too much subjectivity as we have no standards on what "hardest" means. This is done in sports all the time. NFL teams that secure home field advantage for the playoffs put their second and third string players in the final games. World Cup teams that secure a spot in the elimination round will back off in the final game of group play to avoid wasting energy.
If the organizers don't like the behavior, don't have group play or round robin stages and use the single elimination format.
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Stephen Borsher Replied:
When you consider that the women's gymnastic all around excludes the best qualified athletes by limiting each country to only two qualifiers, what choice do athletes have but to game the system. Honesty, integrity, and sensible rules start at the top. The politicians don't adhere to that either.
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10 hours ago
David Corwin Wrote:
The goal is to win the gold medal, not this particular match. The is a commonly strategy in sports. During the EUFA European Cup last month, there was a debate on whether Spain should have score the goal in the last few minutes of the group match to revive Italy. Even armies will retreat temporarily to secure a better position for battles.
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jack wang Wrote:
This is totally unfair to the players. The organizer made up this stupid rules of ' win for a loss'. So the players would rather 'lose to win the interest'. The officials who made the game plan not making sense should be punished, not the players.
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Sean Wang Wrote:
With all the top seeds removed, perhaps now Denmark or Australia may finally have a chance in this sport.
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David Wilson Wrote:
If the pair wins, they don't gain anything but they hurt their country's interests. Who made such stupid rules?
家园 对，从小到大一直被教育要以国家利益为重，怎么一到这个时候 竟然争先恐后地把她的儿女们第一时间抛弃！真让人心寒！