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家园 还需要每个参与者分享硬盘

能不能和云计算相结合,从谷大仙那里偷硬盘空间用呢?

寻址则分散在所有人的电脑中。内容等偷用云计算平台的空间和api。

家园 这东西什么原理呀

大侠给讲讲行吗

能突破大火墙吗?

家园 更像opera unite

与其说像freenet,个人觉得更像opera unite。当然,目前opera unite还太个人化,如果扩展到服务器级别,会非常有意思。

家园 根服务器升级了

刚刚看到新闻,13台根服务器升级了,目的是防止篡改,在所反馈的包中,加入了数字签名,这样反馈的数据包从原来的最大512字节变成了2KB了,都快接近一个torrent包的规模了。

这说明,目前一般的网络软硬件环境已经达到了能快速反馈2KB数据包而不影响体验的水平了。

家园 2KB 确实不算什么,

现在有些应用直接用纯文本来交换数据一点都不爱惜流量……

DNS 512 byte 确实太保守,早就应该升级了。

家园 挑错IPV4用了32位的地址,IPV6用了128位的地址
家园 如何防止域名伪造的一个思路

域名问题,其实和传统的命名方式非常象,接受都不是靠某个机构来认定的,而是民间方式

传统的命名方式:比如“鼓楼”,很多曾经作为首都的城市都有这个地方,比如西安,南京,为啥这些地区不会被人误认呢?因为附加了一个地方属性:

西安+鼓楼 南京+鼓楼。在西安的人直接说的“鼓楼”,绝对不会是指南京的,同理,南京的也是如此。因为他们都有默认的“语境”。

也就是说,只要附加了默认语境,就不会产生误会?

如果在西安新建一个鼓楼,名字也叫鼓楼,一般市民会怎么处理这个问题呢?那就叫这个新鼓楼为“新鼓楼”,或者把旧鼓楼改叫“老鼓楼“”,总之,总有一个会被改掉。

经过一段适应期之后,名字的混乱问题已经不会存在了。

那么,在民间域名形式下,也应该是类似的。

一个网站,可以拥有众多ip,而每个ip却对应着一定的地区。这样,就拥有了地区属性,这样,同一个机房之下,假设有两个新浪,如何判断哪个是用户所需?

很简单,跑到新浪主站看看是否这两个地方新浪是被纳入下属列表的,如果都是,那么是新浪本身对服务的区分问题,如果不是,那么其中没有列入的一个就是假的。

那假如那个新浪主站也是假的,怎么办?同样方法,对所有叫新浪的顶级用户,根据用户投票情况判定

家园 美国要搞互联网了,这个恐怕需要提上日程了

新闻来源

Obama internet 'kill switch' proposed

US President Barack Obama would be granted powers to seize control of and even shut down the internet under a new bill that describes the global internet as a US "national asset".

Local lobby groups and academics have rounded on the plan, saying that, rather than combat terrorists, it would actually do them "the biggest favour ever" by terrorising the rest of the world, which is now heavily reliant on cyberspace.

The proposed legislation, introduced into the US Senate by independent senator Joe Lieberman, who is chairman of the US Homeland Security committee, seeks to grant the President broad emergency powers over the internet in times of national emergency.

Titled "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act", the bill stipulates any internet firms and providers must "immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" by a new section of the US Department of Homeland Security, dubbed the "National Centre for Cybersecurity and Communications".

Lobby group TechAmerica told ZDNet it worried that the bill would give the US "absolute power" over the internet and create "unintended consequences".

One of Australia's top communications experts, University of Sydney associate professor Bjorn Landfeldt, railed against the idea, saying shutting down the internet would "inflict an enormous damage on the entire world".

He said it would be like giving a single country "the right to poison the atmosphere, or poison the ocean".

"All our financial systems, all our security systems ... we're so reliant on the internet that if you shut it down there's a question of whether society will continue to operate normally anywhere in the Western world," Landfeldt said in a phone interview.

"By doing this they would do the terrorists the biggest favour ever because they would terrorise the rest of the world".

Landfeldt said the US would be the only country in the world with the ability to shut down the internet. He said such a move would be extremely difficult for the US to justify to other nations.

"Unfortunately, too much of the core of the internet resides in the US - let's put it this way, they cannot shut down machines in Australia (发贴者旁白:or China), but they can completely isolate us and shut down certain core functions like the DNS ... they can render the internet fairly useless for the rest of the world," he said.

Senator Susan Collins, co-sponsor of the bill, has said: "We cannot afford to wait for a cyber-9/11."

Lieberman argued the bill was necessary to "preserve those networks and assets and our country and protect our people".

He said that, for all its allure, the internet could also be a "dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets".

US economic security, national security and public safety were now all at risk from new kinds of enemies, including "cyber warriors, cyber spies, cyber terrorists and cyber criminals".

Geordie Guy, spokesman for the online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia, said governments around the world seemed terrified of some unidentified risk that they believe the internet poses.

"The proposal is from Joe Lieberman, a repeat offender on rights versus regulation, in a bill called Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act of 2010," he said.

"One wonders which nation Senator Lieberman considers the internet an asset of, and how proposing its destruction by presidential or homeland security order protects it.

"The internet is not a national asset of the United States, nor is it a media regulation problem of Australia. It is an international network used by millions upon millions of citizens and it needs to remain free and available."

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy did not respond to calls requesting comment.

Google, one of the world's biggest internet companies, declined to comment as it was not yet official US government policy.

大概意思是:

美国的意思是世界因特网络全部属于美国国有财产,并且将授权美国总统随时关闭其中的任意一部分,它将赋予美国在世界因特网上以绝对权力。遗憾的是,世界网络的重要硬件大多都在美国,所以说别的国家对此也的确说不了什么。美国通过关闭美国境内的一部分机组,就足以让世界任意一个国家的因特网系统成为一堆废铁。更有意思的是,之前一直批评中国网络自由的谷歌,这次却连半个字都没敢说,谷歌公司和美国政府之暧昧可见一斑。

遭遇世界各国围剿,看来互联网需要另外的基础架构了,这个民间域名恐怕该提上日程了。

家园 疑问很多

鼓楼一个城市大概只有一两个,而对域名的需求量却是很大的。这么说吧,如果可以重名的话,所有卖汽车的公司都会去注册一个叫做“汽车”的域名,这时候一个想买汽车的用户在浏览器地址栏里输入“汽车”会发生什么?因为这种情况下没有一个公司会愿意让出这个域名的,也就没有所谓的“适应期”。

另外,一个mac地址可以对应多个ip地址,一个ip地址可以对应多个域名。也就是说,在同一台托管主机上,可以通过同一个网卡设置N家公司的网站。你这个域名系统抛弃了ip直接对应mac,这种情况怎么办?

根据用户投票决定哪个新浪是真的?相比这种信任机制,我宁愿相信根域名服务器。因为起码我知道根域名服务器的信誉还比较好,而哪些投票的“用户”是谁我的不知道,谁知道是不是哪个流氓网站造出来的假用户投票啊。

家园 问题是不少,但不是不可解决

1、你这个例子,正好说明现在域名的太过死板,既然那么多人注册“汽车”,那么汽车就应该是一个顶极域名,到时东风汽车、日产汽车、福特汽车等等,都还会只把自己域名定为“汽车”么?不会,会回归到我们日常所见到的公司正式名字模式,这样用户就不用记域名了,只需要记住公司名字就可以了。

2、这个和ip mac无关,或者说,直接抛弃了这个关联。

3、用户投票:靠用户收藏夹和信任服务器加权

家园 你完全没有解决我提出的问题啊

1. 首先对于一个已经想好了要买BMW的潜在用户而言,他肯定直接就输入BMW了。但如果他还没有确定,只是想看看有关汽车的信息,那么他输入什么呢?肯定是汽车对不对?所以,所有的汽车厂商,销售商甚至汽车杂志都会去抢着去注册汽车这个域名。这时候用户在地址栏输入汽车会发生什么?

2. 也就是说,你这个浏览器的地址栏相当于P2P的搜索引擎?搜出来什么是什么?

3. 我已经说过我不相信用户投票的理由。那么信任服务器由谁来控制?

家园 不是这样的

1、当“汽车”是顶极域名的时候,汽车变得很无用,比如现在的.com这个顶极域名。

当我需要所有相关汽车信息的时候,和现实生活一样,找汽车相关的,那么出来一定是个列表——像以前雅虎的搜索列表。

2、一定意义上说是这样。

3、你提的问题算不存在,因为和目前的域名体系兼容,现在的根域名服务器就是未来天然的信任服务器。

我所指的另外的信任机制,是对现有的信任机制的补充,而不是削减。

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